Hardwood Floors

Written by Jim the Realtor

December 15, 2010

If you are looking for flooring, you should pay a visit to these guys.

The showroom is incredible, with a sample of every floor type available – including cork!  But it’s the quality of the service that has caused me to send people to Chuck Ward, owner, and Ken Calkin, manager, for over ten years – they know their flooring, and they treat you right.

Here’s a review of the hardwoods:

A link to their website:  http://oceanside.abbeycarpet.com/default.aspx

24 Comments

  1. Sol

    I’d like some coverage on bamboo products in the next segment, if possible.

  2. SDteacher

    Thanks Jim – this was very interesting and helpful. I would also like some information about bamboo.

  3. Chuck Ponzi

    One of my friend’s girlfriends in highschool had the nickname “floor muffler”. I won’t say why.

    These guys know their stuff… sounds expensive.

    Sad that this is usually the case. You get what you pay for, very few true “values” out there.

    Chuck

  4. Art Eclectic

    Thirded on the bamboo. Or just “sustainable” product flooring in general.

  5. tim milligan

    thanks jim! i just contacted these guys for the new pad i am building–we are looking for real oak that is distressed,brushed,whitewashed,etc! always good info my friend!

  6. Jinx

    Thanks Jim. I’m in Oceanside so I’ll have to check them out.

    We have two young kids so we thought a higher end laminate would be a good solution BUT we were told that you can’t find laminate stair noses that lay flush with the step. They make a little lip that creates a tripping hazard. Does Chuck know of any manufacturers that make a flush stair nose? Or should we just go with engineered wood, and would that wear any better than laminate on the stairs?

    Thanks!

  7. Jeeman

    A couple questions:

    What are the pros and cons of regular wood vs. engineered wood?

    What are some more of the exotic woods to use? (I guess bamboo is a popular one!)

  8. Jeeman

    BTW, this is awesome…many people who continue to come here aren’t looking to buy or sell, but rather, to improve their property. Your home walk-throughs give great insight into alot of this, but a specific focus on this is cool also. Especially when it comes time to sell one day.

  9. Genius

    #7 – Macassar Ebony is pretty, and expensive. It’s good for fretboards too.

  10. Jeeman

    Genius, yes, beautiful wood, I just looked it up.

    Jim, another question, is the disparity in price solely based on the type of wood? i.e. are the labor costs are the same for all woods, or are some wood’s labor costs more because it is harder to install?

  11. clearfund

    Love to hear local shop doing well in a world of Home Depot product.

  12. someone

    What about antique barns? Is that popular with high end homes? I know some people love that “vintage” feel.

    Upkeep on cherry floors? The dog has scratched a lot of ours, but you can’t tell unless you get down and look. Even still, we’re going to have to get them refinished.

    They’re beautiful (especially in light)….but not exactly hardy! haha

  13. Art Eclectic

    Jeeman, some of the real wood costs depend on the scarcity of the tree (which is why the interest in sustainable products.)

    I’ll guess when it comes to engineered product it has to do with the labor that went into the distressing.

    I’d imagine that installation labor is pretty much the same across the board, the cost difference is in the materials.

  14. Jeeman

    Art, that is what I figured as well. But I’ve seen some horrible parquet jobs because they were just “clicked” together…caused some bad foot injuries on kids!

  15. Jim the Realtor

    Thanks for all the comments. I’m going to have Chuck and Ken chime in on the questions asked, but I’ll give you my impression on this one:

    What are the pros and cons of regular wood vs. engineered wood?

    Walking in yesterday I was convinced that I was a real-hardwood-only kind of guy.

    But I learned this about engineered:

    1. The composite that’s under the real-wood floor is sturdy, and better than real wood. It has five layers of fiber crossed-laid for extra strength.

    2. With the floor muffler you don’t have the tingy sound. I thought the engineered floors were the cause, but it’s what’s underneath that determines the noise.

    3. Thinner is better if you are in an existing house, and the real hardwoods are 1/4 to 1/2-inch thicker.

    4. While you can re-finish both real and engineered, the real hardwood – being thicker – should endure more sanding. But because of the way they interlock, you might only get one or two extra re-finishes out of real hardwoods.

    5. The Chinese engineered hardwoods only had 1/8-inch of wood on top, which doesn’t leave much to re-finish. If you are tough on floors, you might be replacing the cheaper ones every 5-7 years. Don’t glue those down!

  16. Jeeman

    ” Thinner is better if you are in an existing house, and the real hardwoods are 1/4 to 1/2-inch thicker.”

    Jim, can you elaborate as to why thinner is better in an existing house?

  17. Dwip

    We went with a high-end laminate to avoid any pet-scratch issues, and it’s been perfect for that. The version we got seems indestructible. Getting the good underlayment made a big difference, and is only like a buck more a square foot than the cheap underpad. I can’t imagine why anyone gets the cheap underpad. Also had a reputable installer, he spent an entire day grinding down the high spots in the concrete with a thing like a diamond-impregnated floor buffer and bringing up the low spots with leveling concrete. At the end he was crawling around with a 8′ bar demonstrating how it was leveled to 1/8 of an inch. I think the bad rep some products have comes from bad installation.

  18. Kathy

    Thank you – this was very informative and helpful.

  19. clearfund

    Jeeman – the engineered floors are REAL hardwood. They are just 1/8″-1/4″ of wood put on top of an engineered base which is superior relative to expansion, warping, etc.

    The reason ‘thinner’ engineered wood floors are better for renovations/existing homes is that they are more consistent in height relative to your other floors.

    Thus, the wood floor will be flush with your existing tile, or carpet and not have that big giant ‘trip-lip’ at the transition.

    In a perfect world of designing a home you might set your foundation down by 1/2″-1″ (- the height of your plywood subfloor – the hardwood surface + thickness of adjacent tile surface) in the areas you want wood. Thus the wood will then flush out with the other surfaces and not be 1/2″+ higher.

    In today’s market, the engineered product has become so advanced that I would expect it to be appropriate for over 95% of homeowners. The other 5% of homeowners can afford to be so picky that their selections may only come in traditional hardwood thicknesses (african mahogany, etc).

  20. Ken from Oceanside Abbey Carpet and Floor

    Just wanted to answer some of the questions. As far as laminate bullnose are concerned yes there are flush bullnose available.

    Engineered hardwoods were designed for concrete slab installations. Hardwood expands and contracts so by cross plying the layers it makes the wood more dimensionally stable so they can be glued down over concrete. A solid hardwood has to be nailed down with spacers over 3/4 plywood and will raise your floors over 1 1/2 inches so it becomes a problem for doors,appliances,etc.

    If you buy a good quality engineered hardwood it can be refinished as many times as a solid and its a more stable durable floor. Hope this helped feel free to contact us at Abbey Carpets if you have any questions (760)757-5033. Ken the manager.

  21. Jim the Realtor

    I think it is primarily at the glass sliding doors where you have the most problems with real hardwoods being too tall.

    You can cut off the bottom of doors, but when the hardwood approaches the sliders, they need to be lower by at least a half-inch, and an inch lower would be ideal.

  22. Chuck Ward

    To comment on the blog entry concerning the beautiful cherry wood floors that have scratches from pets: Cherry wood has a very rich and natural appearance, the only downside is the softness of the product. We suggest having the floor screencoated and a commercial clearcoat applied for more durability. Congratulations on choosing such a beautiful product that will last for years with the correct maintenance.
    Chuck Ward Owner

  23. Jim the Realtor

    Left on the youtube comments:

    Hi Jim,
    To remove fade spots from a natural color wood floor you need to have the floor sanded and recoated. A topical application will treat the fade spots as well as the non faded areas and you will end up with the same issues. If the reason the sun faded areas are showing up is from moving furniture or rugs the new exposed areas will catch up in about 6 months. All natural woods will change color and character being exposed to the sun. Remember to recoat your floors every 5 to 7 years.

  24. Lynne

    Jim, can you cover cork flooring in your next installment? I’ve been researching it for a while, and it seems preferable in many ways to both wood and tile: warm, soft, hardwearing, attractive, ecologically sound, and nearly as sound-absorbing as carpet (particularly for upper levels). It’s been used extensively in Europe for decades. I don’t know how local installation prices compare to more common flooring choices here. Thanks!

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