Another study that shows lower-income people leaving California, and rich people moving in. But what’s not examined is whether those leaving were long-time homeowners who sold their home and took a truckload of money with them to Texas:
http://next10.org/sites/default/files/California-Migration-Final2.pdf
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Yeh, Texas is cheap and all that, but imo, one should ask one’s self why. One likely reason might be that, while it’s cheaper, there’s some less boasted about features of Texas that aren’t favorable towards folks looking to have a nice day, which drives market prices accordingly.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=unUTK_1526491717
Can confirm: I established Nevada residency before I expatriated to escape California income tax. A marginal 13.3% tax rate??!?!? Ouch.
I’ll never go back to California.
What they leave out of these reports is that California’s population is still growing at about 1500 people (PER-DAY!).
There seems plenty to take their place.
“Can confirm: I established Nevada residency before I expatriated to escape California income tax. A marginal 13.3% tax rate??!?!? Ouch.”
Not to be insulting, but when all the dust settled—tax rate schmax rate—
you now live in Nevada.
So, in an existential sense, you’re still stuck paying an offensive tax.
Vegas aside, the culture of the state hasn’t changed since it was established by the Donner party: “there’s only one of two things to do in Nevada today. We can sit around and wait for help, or we can eat people.”
No offense, but I wouldn’t want to live in a state where, if the going got rough, my desperate neighbor would think of me as equivalent to a can of spam.
Same as it ever was. Everything is a pro / con analysis.
What they leave out of these reports is that California’s population is still growing at about 1500 people (PER-DAY!). There seems plenty to take their place.
When it comes to housing, none of the people leaving are going to matter to the real estate market unless they sell a house on the way out. The talking heads will make it sound like an exodus to Texas is somehow bad for California, but it’s just an example of a democracy where people are free to choose.
@Daytrip: I don’t completely understand what you’re saying about the Donner party. They got stuck and engaged in cannibalism on Donner Pass, which is in California, near Truckee.
Stateline, Nevada, which is on Lake Tahoe, is a beautiful place to live.
“@Daytrip: I don’t completely understand what you’re saying about the Donner party. They got stuck and engaged in cannibalism on Donner Pass, which is in California, near Truckee.”
Oh, their feasting area was a human bone’s throw away from Cannibalist Nevada. As far as I’m concerned, they were cannibal immigrants––from Nevada! Try as you may, you’re not going to change my mind about Nevadan’s well documented appetite for human flesh whenever and wherever they believe they can justify it, tax advantages be damned! Have you ever met a vegetarian Nevadan? You know why not? Because science hasn’t found a way to make soy taste like human arm. That’s why.
Ok, ok.
More of the impassioned internet discussion on the topic:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-19/why-are-so-many-people-moving-out-california
I believe a big part of the price difference is the Climate in particular in SD. You have to pay for the nice climate. Contrast house prices in Needles to SD for example The median house price in Needles appears to be about $109k or look at Blythe where the price is $140k. Of course there are few jobs there, and in Blythe low paying Ag jobs to boot. Barstow is about 131k. So you can find low cost housing in Ca if your willing to live in the desert. It does look like evaporative cooling is still allowed in Ca in particular in the Mohave and Colorado deserts. (Not as cool as refrigerated ac but also higher indoor humidity as evaporating water cools the air.)
So we are left with the number and kind of jobs and the climate as differences, I do suspect the kind of jobs is the bigger factor. (Plus of course these are small towns which means less to do)
Why link to zerohedge when they can’t even get basic facts correct in the first sentence?
“In recent years, the number of people moving away from the state of California has greatly outnumbered the number of people moving into the state. ”
Compared to actual analysis at: http://www.ppic.org/publication/californias-population/
“From 2006 to 2016, California’s population grew by 9%, which was low for the state and barely higher than the rest of the nation (8%). International migration to California has remained strong over the past 10 years: the state experienced a net inflow of 1.6 million. But about 1.2 million more people left California for other states than came to California from other states. Natural increase—more births than deaths—added 2.8 million residents. Overall, California gained 3.1 million residents over the past 10 years.”
Why…
It was more for the comment-section hysteria.
“I believe a big part of the price difference is the Climate in particular in SD. You have to pay for the nice climate.”
The climate was the same 100 years ago, when you could buy 10 acres off the cliffs of Newport Beach for cheap. The dynamic element in the price difference has to do with the “sanctuary state” designation we enjoy today.
Discounting or denying unbridled immigration, as well as the fact that California has the most lenient immigration policy in the entire world, when analyzing California price “bubbles,” will produce bad answers, imo. I define “bad answers” as those that don’t comport with reality.
The people who shriek, “how could Trump get elected?” are the same who ponder “how could California wind up like this when we control it?”
Maybe because your ability to interpret reality is… not as good as it needs to be?
The climate was the same 100 years ago…
Those coming here in the future will be sold on the previous benefits, which may or may not be still available.